She said she was frustrated. came one of the first major publications to ditch its public comment section, citing scientific studies that found that blog comments can have a profound effect on readers' perceptions of science. "But without moderators or fancy algorithms," he added, comments sections "are prone to anarchy. Weve been turning those on and letting people follow a lot of our specific writers. We did a story called Game of Drones that just has gone crazy on Twitter. Sunday night's heavy rainfall was the latest system to sweep through the Bay Area, which. Livin gets a hug in her flooded home from her friend, Stacey Cobarruvias. We carefully select the stories that go up on Facebook. From there, the editors and writers try to figure out what made certain stories so popular. | date = 16 September 2015 We felt that, since so much of the. It's a dysfunctional relationship, but it. Nieman Journalism Lab. Were those actually Russian troll bots, or just "We don't like their opinion, so they are Russian trolls", like we see sometimes on this subreddit? "What happened after 7 news sites got rid of reader comments." Here's how they're all using social media to encourage reader discussion. Page views. It was all ruined: Watsonville retiree struggles to cope with flood devastation, Lightning strikes the Golden Gate Bridge as storm lashes Bay Area, Did sewage spill in your Bay Area neighborhood during the recent storms? He was a quiet man, and orderly, with a tender heart, she said. Help advance the Nieman Foundations mission to promote and elevate the standards of journalism, 2023 by the President and Fellows of Harvard College. Final atmospheric river storm will slam the Bay Area today. Whats the best way to follow how the news is changing? TWO acts of congress that eroded those protections. In certain posts, we chose to leave the comment thread on. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz refused to accept a bet with California Rep. Eric Swalwell, in which the loser would have to refrain from posting on Twitter. We drive a million plus uniques a month from Tumblr, which is unparalleled. Dan Colarusso, executive editor of Reuters.com: We did keep comments on our opinion pieces, because we felt that that is where you are trying to start an argument in the best possible way. Reader opinions often are the best part of the story. I dont know why theyre doing it, but I think its very unfortunate.. Compared to that, losing some carpet its nothing., St. John Barned-Smith is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. Commenting is now available on many more. On their FaceBook page, they claim there were technical issues. Sumiko Livins home in Watsonville sustained damage to the walls and carpet when a foot of water poured in during the New Years Eve storm. The Bravo Network has removed a racist anti-Japanese slur from a new show following a protest from an Asian American member of the US Civil Rights Commission, reports SF Gate. Lauren Young runs them out of New York, and we do one a month right now. | first = Justin Think", Re: Bravo Use of Japanese Racial Slur: Get a life. Editor-in-chief, The most popular story on the 'Gate right now? For a short period at the end of 2014, it appeared that publishers had reached a breaking point in their ongoing struggle with reader comments. | title = What happened after 7 news sites got rid of reader comments She told her neighbors to leave their trash on the sidewalk, that the city should deal with it. And thats [also] what a forum post does: it keeps things on topic, it keeps things positive, and its less [just] reaction to a story. PopSci is lucky in that our community of readers and followers is very curious, positive, and interested in learning more about all sorts of subjects. Tool ranks 25 cities based on Drake-backed fried chicken chain opens first Oakland restaurant this week, S.F. Dems: Remove Wisconsin election official for voting comments. Were pitching stories forward and putting stuff out thats not on an auto feed. | work = [[Nieman Journalism Lab]] We dont do much question-asking, but we do pay quite a bit of attention to the share text around every story that we publish. It didnt seem there was an easy way to fix that.. And then it just became a shit show with others fighting back. The site also didn't allow commenting on articles dealing with particularly controversial issues. The system builds on work the Times has done in partnership with the Washington Post and Knight Foundation in an initiative called theCoral Project, an open-source platform geared toward helping news sites accept and manage reader submissions without having to manually scour each individual comment and weed out the bad apples. Thats a much harder solution than were gonna build in down-rank buttons and shadow bans. Today, Phil Bronstein. Back in the day it was a good place to get local opinions, but it seems outsiders with a bash SF agenda spoiled the fun. Our hopes are high. From a sex-and-drugs pop star drama to a dark Watergate comedy. Updated to include drought zones while tracking water shortage status of your area, plus reservoir levels and a list of restrictions for the Bay Areas largest water districts. When asked recently about the future of SF Chronicle, or lack thereof, SF Mayor Gavin Newsom told The Economist the following: People under 30 wont even notice. Though a few months had passed since he died And more than half of all comments submitted came from just a tiny group of shockingly prolific contributors who, it estimated, disproportionately tended to be middle-aged men. Lazarus said he had stood up and tried to challenge the action, even though he knew he had no legal basis to do so. SFGate's Mark Fiore Nabs Pulitzer Prize. We use input from readers online (in the form of traffic analytics and emails) and in print (we still get a lot of handwritten letters) to gauge interest in our stories after publication. Brooke Jenkins is removing one of California's most veteran judges without explanation from new juvenile cases. Yaki sent a letter to Bravo and within days, Bravo executives responded by saying the term would be removed from both the promo and the show. We do [discussion] online, on social networks, on Facebook, on Twitter especially. Neither the defense lawyer nor the judge has a right to object or ask for an explanation and the case is automatically assigned to another judge. We also use SimpleReach, Chartbeat, and CrowdTangle, all of which are analytics tools that show us whats being said about our content on social platforms and other sites. If you had anything important to say online, you better hope that Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, or Jack Dorsey want you to say it. The most comments we ever had in a single month was July of 2014, when we had some 68,000 comments. So, it looks like the Getty brothers posted another web-log entry over the weekend. Under the law, the office is not required to state its reasons. Nobody knows what it means, but it is a new felony! To the OP who wanted Gavin to do something about their Bottlenose dolphins have migrated to the Bay Area for the How to cope with moving here and hating it, Press J to jump to the feed. Or liquid acid. This older law allowed all of the innovations in online communications. And why is SF Gate afraid of hearing their thoughts. Dude that was the best part of SFGATE. ", NPR found that only a very small and wholly unrepresentative slice of NPR's audience was taking advantage of the comments section, Jensen explained, noting the sharp increase in inappropriate content. Its not clear why comments are a particularly good part of the [website] experience, she said. Letters to the editor have always been a key part of American newspapers, the main channel for readers to respond to the content they consume and publicly debate major political and social issues. Now water was putting the home she and Cleo made at risk. Probably not, but the paper of record has moved some random amount of special content behind a for-subscribers-only paywall site at SFChronicle.com. Behold: The decision to disable comments, This story may not beat the Napa gal who faked her cancer so that she could collect donations and disability, but it comes close! Final atmospheric river storm to hit Bay Area. Nilay Patel, editor-in-chief, and Helen Havlak, engagement editor: We didnt get rid of them, and that makes us a little different from everybody else you might be talking to. If you think Im looking for another man, no way. Same should happen to the "J" word. Kline is a role model, Stewart said Tuesday. Youve got to help people, she said, navigating through the soggy muck behind her home. One would think this story would appear on SFGATE but it was not. S.F. He installed a doorbell alarm in her shed, and a telephone, so that she could putter away in the backyard and still keep track of callers or visitors who might come to the house or ring her. Not much in the way of unique coding for whatever app you use on your phone which is why so many developers go that route as it's the easy way out and usually a quick way to make a buck. St. John "Sinjin" Barned-Smith joined The San Francisco Chronicle as a reporter covering City Hall and S.F. And a number of outlets have even attempted to grow their comment sections, instituting various techniques to encourage civil debate and ward off the ever-present army of trolls at the gates. 230, This older law allowed all of the innovations in online communications. Loony SFGate commenters are, of course, nutting over it as well. A lot of comment sections were targeted by Russian troll bots to create arguments and division. Gavin Newsom said he wants to dedicate $750 million to clearing the state's homeless encampments. It is because there are numerous laws already passed and being discussed right now, that remove the protections granted to website operators. A moral panic began, and a bipartisan effort to please think of the children rendered these laws overturned. Roger Serpa looks over flood damage to his home on Argos Circle in Watsonville. Deputy District Attorney David Mitchell submitted a sworn declaration to the court Monday, using language specified by state law, stating that Kline is prejudiced against the (prosecution) and that Mitchell believes the District Attorneys Office cannot have a fair and impartial trial or hearing., The state Supreme Court upheld the judicial removal law in 1977, acknowledging in an opinion by Justice Stanley Mosk that it may be used for judge-shopping but saying the Legislature had given both sides in civil and criminal cases an extraordinary right to disqualify a judge in a newly filed case. | ref = {{harvid|Ellis|2015}} What happened after 7 news sites got rid of reader comments. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Without "section 230," nobody (except for . City workers set up at the nearby Buddhist temple, plying tired residents with snacks and coffee and passing out flyers with information on how to begin their recovery efforts. Livin gets a hug from volunteer Raymon Cancino, the CEO of Community Bridges, while Gabriella Onesto looks on. Hard to imagine why anyone would ever subject themselves to this horrendous website. The lap of luxury: a BART car all to myself. We're told that a union steward sent a message to its members recommending, Daring to go where no online writer in their right mind should ever, ever, ever go, SF Chronicle's Ryan Kim profiles SFGate's most "prolific" commenters, Kimble McSweeney, a Dallas resident. Its 1 of 60. They were obviously not referring to Asians. Last month, it had 17 million monthly uniques, and the time spent per visit hasnt dropped a bit. We all like to have this ideal that we can engage with readers and reporters, Jensen said. Every year, she harvested oranges and tangerines far more than she could ever eat. An assortment of never-ending popup ads, autoplay videos and now ads inserted between every 4 sentences in an article. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Multiple Tahoe highways closed due to heavy snow and California storms dump 3 to 4 feet of snow across Tahoe 'Difficult to impossible' travel forecast for Tahoe amid 10 ephemeral waterfalls appear in Yosemite after Calif. Hiker dies after 700-foot slide down icy California mountain. Taking bets on if it starts or not! Heres what it is. I think that public engagement needs to be a key part of a public media organization," saidNPR ombudsman Elizabeth Jensen. I spoke to seven news organizations Recode, The Verge, Reuters, Mic, Popular Science, The Week, and USA Todays FTW about their decision to suspend comments, the results of that change, and how they manage reader engagement now. Tool ranks 25 cities based on Drake-backed fried chicken chain opens first Oakland restaurant this week, S.F. Office chairs and a blue bird statue: Heres everything you can bid on An iconic moment: In Warriors return to White House, Biden takes a knee. Email: stjohn.smith@sfchronicle.com. I did, and on my very next visit, the tooth had improved dramatically, and I never had to find out what he was threatening me with - all thanks to this little gadget. Like countless other news outlets, NPR found itself overwhelmed by trolls, anonymous contributors who had too often hijacked comment threads with offensive and inappropriate submissions. WATSONVILLE Sumiko Livin woke from slumber on New Years Eve as rain lashed her home in Watsonville. A local online type is reaping heavy praise after the Pulitzer Prizes were announced this afternoon. He spent 30 years with the Associated Press, covering news, politics and occasionally sports in Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento, and legal affairs in San Francisco from 1984 onward. Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University. Or, Oh wow. A foot of water had poured into Sumikos home, soaking walls, destroying carpet. It's annoying enough to avoid the site entirely. Your San Francisco Bay Area local news source plus the latest in sports, culture, weather, food and drink, politics, real estate, Lake Tahoe and California Parks. "Those [social media] communities offer vibrant conversation and, importantly, are self-policed by participants to keep on the fringes those who would abuse the privilege of commenting," Reuters executive editor, Dan Colarusso ,wrote in his company's announcement. San Francisco is a city renowned for creativity and innovation from global tech giants and stylish indie startups to the enduring hippie appeal of its storied streets and neighborhoods. AS TRUMP WOULD SAY FAKE,,,, Shed loved the spacious backyard from the moment she saw it, she thought about the citrus trees shed grow, the persimmons and avocados. "Native Son" columnist Carl Nolte marches outside the Chronicle Building at Fifth and Mission to protest the Hearst Corporation's proposed contract terms for guild workers. Thats one part, just expanding how often were actually manually active on [social]. Seems like most of the articles end up being posted on this sub now so there's at least some place we can have discussions on their articles. Pretty much. Sometimes? Spindell did not immediately respond to a voicemail and email left Wednesday requesting his comment. Judge J. Anthony Kline, a 42-year judicial veteran, retired from the First District Court of Appeal last December, then agreed to serve for a year on the juvenile court in San Francisco, a term due to end in February. Theyre a great way to reach out to people. is back on but the price keeps rising, Your Privacy Choices (Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads). Here's the woman behind the embroidered threads Gavin Newsom wears. Chortle. Grab a Peloton for even less than on Black Friday, Amazon has 4K digital TV antennas on sale today, The Moto G 5G smartphone is under $200 on Amazon right now. Office chairs and a blue bird statue: Heres everything you can bid on An iconic moment: In Warriors return to White House, Biden takes a knee. All the best things to do, to see, and discuss in the San Francisco Bay Area! Using The Lowdown and Above the Noise in the Classroom, "After much experimentation and discussion, we've concluded that the comment sections on NPR.org stories are not providing a useful experience for the vast majority of our users," wrote Scott Montgomery, former managing editor for digital news, in his 2016, Simply put, trolls are the loudest voices in the room, the ones who write "crazy, nasty things just to get people all riled up," as this latest, I think that public engagement needs to be a key part of a public media organization," said, "I think its disappointing that the commenting platform didnt work the way that it could. We have managed to keep some pretty vibrant discussions going; they just dont live on the article pages themselves. Simply put, trolls are the loudest voices in the room, the ones who write "crazy, nasty things just to get people all riled up," as this latestAbove the Noiseepisode explains in its exploration of trolling psychology. In Watsonville, fast rising water on New Year's Eve sent floodwaters pouring down Argos Circle, the subdivision where Livin and . The water is badly needed to ease the states long drought, but in many areas it has flooded streets, swamped homes and unleashed mudslides as sodden soil gave way. D.A. First came fosta / sesta. District Attorney Brooke Jenkins office has used a state law to remove J. Anthony Kline, pictured in 2021 before his retirement from the Court of Appeal, from new juvenile court cases. 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Nothing but lies to promote more lies. Final atmospheric river storm to hit Bay Area. Case in point - City of San Francisco is suing the SF School District because of There's a 66% increase in the number of suicidal children in the emergency rooms. Ten of the 11 Democratic members of the Senate signed a statement Wednesday, asking Majority Leader Devin LeMahieu, a Republican, to remove Commissioner Bob Spindell over comments he made about minority voter turnout in Milwaukee. Under previous law, as recent as a few years ago, no website operator can be held liable for things posted on their websites by users. Why did SFGate remove the comment section in their articles? Theres nothing that can be said, theres no apology. Cost of bowling for two people for one hour (Friday) at Got some Garbage Green paint from Public Works and before Pathetic: In wake of viral video, S.F. Its at its highest point by far this year. Which Bay Area city is best for you? The other thing weve done we havent done it in hard news yet, but weve done it in personal finance here in the States is Twitter chats with readers and our wealth team. gallery owner who sprayed homeless woman in viral video apologizes. No articles have comments enabled. Check out what he and 12 other leaders in the fields of robotics, genetics, electronics, programming, online media, and more have to say about what led to their success in the full guide at popsci.com/expert. Kara Swisher, executive editor of Recode: For example, our Elizabeth Warren interview got a million views and likes on Facebook. In Watsonville, fast rising water on New Years Eve sent floodwaters pouring down Argos Circle, the subdivision where Livin and dozens of other retired residents live. We are just happy to have an audience wherever we have it. Those protections are known as "section 230" of "The Communications Decency Act" 47 U.S.C. On the Bay Citizen's weekend edition, the burning-someone-else's money (but still free) publication reports (sort of) on the Hearst Corporation's sudden decision to (maybe) put a majority of the free content on SFGate. It's very difficult to read patiently. Oh, what fun. The Investigative Journalism Foundation hopes to follow the money and leave the door wide open for other journalists. We do a podcast now, which is really helpful. In her beloved garden, it had spread debris and trash across the yard, piled mulch, sewage and dirt into unsightly mounds, and tilted askew the Sears Roebuck fence she and Cleo had installed. I dont know that you can engineer around bad habits of a community. They advertise free sites and first one on list charges. A year later, her Top 25 Restaurants: Where to Eat in the Bay Area, Regulators look to impose ban on new natural gas water heaters, furnaces, High-speed rail to downtown S.F. I don't want to give 1 star but zero not an option, Tip for consumers:they advertised a "free" service, was immediately asked for $5.99 for one time use. We are declining to comment on these matters as they pertain to proceedings involving juvenile defendants, which are confidential, Randy Quezada, a spokesperson for the district attorney, said Tuesday. Since Popular Sciences exit from the commenting business, a slew of other media outlets -- from Reuters to Recode -- have followed suit. Rain finally came to California. 6 reviews for SF Gate, 1.7 stars: "Hit their "free" recommendation for a service, immediately asked for $5.99 for one time use. "It's just kind of confusing and just wonderful at the same time. We use social media and email newsletters, and well soon be introducing more live events to get readers and audience members involved in sci-tech topics of interest to them and us. link in our bio!And stay tuned for more behind the scenes videos with Dr. Tyson. Speaking for herself, not NPR, Jensen noted the irony of a public media organization removing one of its key public forums. Comments sections are really just a continuation of that age-old tradition of letters to the editor, a cherished part of many publications and a valuable way of creating an open dialogue between magazines and the people to whom they are ultimately accountable, wrote Jonathan Smith of Vice Newsin announcing his publication's move in late 2016. Thats where they engage, so thats where we engage with them. Then the skies opened two weeks ago, turning their neighborhood into a river. Some people lost their lives, she said. Im pretty biased, but I think we have one of the better programming and social teams in the business. On our site, weve seen engagement go up. Until four or five months ago, we only had social media for [Reuters.com] out of New York. And I think Jessica Lessin is doing a nice job on The Information, because she has subscribers. A series of subsequent analysesfound that when readers are exposed to uncivil, negative comments at the end of articles, they are less trustful of the main content (dubbed the nasty effect). Everything that we put out there in the world, we take very seriously. Vice News is among the most recent large online publications to join the no-comment club. Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard, 16 Sep. 2015. To find more information about reviews and trust on Sitejabber.com please visit, Backed by the National Science Foundation, Horrifying Website Experience, AD-trocious. Also on Yahoo, after a few months, they are turning on some comments. Stray bullet kills 5 year old, Sikh Am GOP leader says shes under bigoted attack from own party, White House releases 1st national strategy to uplift AANHPI communities, What happens when mixed-race people dont have the right mix, The Other Ones: Stereotypes and Tiger Parents, Have trouble saying no to your boss? Because you can go to jail for the things the public says on your site. I suspect comments will come back with the Facebook comments plugin. "But in reality, that just wasnt the way it was working. This is a carousel. $5 million for each longtime Black resident? My sense is that they are joining the Santa Cruz Sentinel, the Press Democrat and others in turning off the comments. You have entered an incorrect email address! Its fortuitous that Facebooks author tags have been rolling out. The trend started in 2013 when Popular Science became one of the first major publications to ditch its public comment section, citing scientific studies that found that blog comments can have a profound effect on readers' perceptions of science. I have an I******* with a GEforce 1060 graphics card Dell Inspiration and SFGate.com freezes trying to load. [Social media] is just a better place to engage a smart audience thats not trolling. Beyond Section 230: Three paths to making the big tech platforms more transparent and accountable. Kline holds both sides in his court to a high standard, considering the needs of the youngsters as well as public safety, and has shown no bias against either side, Goldman said. I consider us to be in the age of engagement right now, in the sense that our social thrust has a very specific plan behind it. Were very happy. So, what do you do? But I do think commenting is a part of it. By using Sitejabber, you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Check this map, Track water shortages and restrictions across Bay Area. Now, closing the comments section is not the only thing weve done. on work the Times has done in partnership with the Washington Post and Knight Foundation in an initiative called the. We want them to see were on these social media platforms. In turn, they need to send us angry emails demanding our phone number. Brooke Jenkins is removing one of Californias most veteran judges without explanation from new juvenile cases, Track water shortages and restrictions across Bay Area. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Because the most upvoted comments were hurting their feelings or criminal's feelings or something? gallery owner who sprayed homeless woman in viral video apologizes. Weve redesigned our whole site; there are a number of potentially confounding variables in the statistics. LeMahieu did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday. Only big companies will be able to afford the ramifications. I think youll probably get this answer uniformly across the Internet, but Facebook is the key driver in terms of traffic and engagement. In 2008, NPR introduced its reader commenting system, an option it embedded through a third-party systemat the end of most articles on the site. Mainly, that they suck. They dont want you to expose the real SF, Because the comments were all from behaviorally disordered beardos from Missouri who only went to the site to perpetuate memes about needles and shit. The Nieman Journalism Lab is a collaborative attempt to figure out how quality journalism can survive and thrive in the Internet age. It was much more than just the place where 81-year-old Livin was spending her retirement it was the home she had lovingly built with her husband, Cleo, over the course of 35 years. And a lot of people followed in our footsteps, which is fascinating. 2020 Budget They snuck in text banning illegal streaming into the budget for 2020. District Attorney Brooke Jenkins' office has used a state law . In the aftermath, he hired contractors to rip out sodden carpet and at least a foot of ruined drywall. This is a guy who has absolutely no prejudice toward anybody, Lazarus said. All but one of the sites say they wont be going back; The Verge is selectively using comments on stories and plans to re-introduce them across the site in the near future, according to editor-in-chief Nilay Patel. Despite New Law, Consumers Feel Ambushed by Surprise Medical How I Got My Student Loans Forgiven: Legal Director in D.C. Revlon Files for Bankruptcy After Nearly 100 Years, Live updates | World Economic Forum gathering in Davos, Lawsuits challenge recent Illinois semiautomatic gun ban, Justice Dept. Articles on SFGate. Thats what really scares me.. SFGate is the San Francisco Chronicle's website, chock full of irreverent headlines, weird news, and plenty of Bush-bashing. Weve seen engagement skyrocket. According to Costimates, this can range from $3.80 to $4.65 per square foot. Learn how your comment data is processed. Oh dear God dont tell me the comments are coming here A lot of media sites turned off their comments sections during the last year because misinformation and toxic comments outweighed real ones. Phone Soap 3 Sanitizing . We didnt have the time and didnt see the benefit of continuing with the comments. Can comment sections contain (gasp!) State Sen Sen. LaTonya Johnson calls for the Republican leader of the state Senate to remove his appointee to the bipartisan Wisconsin Election Commission, Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2023 in Madison, Wis. Glad @Recode & others are challenging the trend: http://t.co/HVi23wOq4w pic.twitter.com/wLHKObAeDp, Melinda Gates (@melindagates) August 19, 2015.
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